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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2014.10.30 21:54:52 -
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Now the boring Highsec death end PvE and miner corp can finally recruit and trap new players without the fear of destruction. Well done CCP! As many have said before it will have no effect on any other type of corp.
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2014.10.30 22:17:34 -
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Sion Kumitomo wrote:This change would literally only effect hisec. Seriously. That's it. Want to shoot your mates in low/null/wh? Go nuts. There is otherwise no impact anywhere else with this. You seriously think that increasing the chance that players end up in a risk averse Highsec PvE/miner corp (which by your argument is the winner of this change) instead of a low/null/wh corp (which is not impacted by the change as you say) is a good thing?
It's so obvious how this will backfire.
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2014.10.30 23:05:56 -
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Syn Shi wrote:You can still awox. You will just lose a ship if they made the change.
There is nothing more to this topic.
Why are you against losing your ship if you awox? I don't see why you think this word games are in any way a good argument or comment. If you have a problem understanding what some people mean with "awoxing" of "safari" in the context of this thread or the CSM minutes then you have a serious issue and should stop posting.
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2014.10.30 23:32:56 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Syn Shi wrote:You can still awox. You will just lose a ship if they made the change.
There is nothing more to this topic.
Why are you against losing your ship if you awox? I don't see why you think this word games are in any way a good argument or comment. If you have a problem understanding what some people mean with "awoxing" of "safari" in the context of this thread or the CSM minutes then you have a serious issue and should stop posting. Read the first post. Shoot a corp mate...concord shoot you. Read title......awox. Summary. Some don't want to lose their ship when they.....as the title says...corpmate awoxing. Conclusion.....you don't want to lose a ship from shooting a corp mate...or pretending to be that corp mate. Why are you against losing your ship? Your answers don't improve it seams. Now you ask a suicide ganker if he is afraid to lose his ship? I am not even a year old char and lost over 1300 Catalysts so far. Almost all of them exploded a miner or hauler.
And that word game is still no argument. It just demonstrates a lack of communication skills.
How much do you bet that I can shoot most of my corp mates even after the change without getting CONCORDed?
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2014.10.30 23:36:35 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:You can't be serious. Corp awoxing is almost exclusively documented as being used to grief new players. Obviously awoxing will still happen it just won't obviously happen in high sec so prominantly. You think someone will go through the process of infiltrating a corp just to kill a new player in a Venture or something? They are usually after shinny ships of older players like bling mission ships or Orcas. The "new player" argument is absolutely ridiculous and has no basis in reality.
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2014.10.30 23:53:44 -
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John E Normus wrote:A goon typed this. Yeah, this is very puzzling. I bet he is only in that goon corp to awox the **** out of them.
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2014.10.31 00:08:37 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Too bad some don't want to leave the safety of hi-sec to continue their play style. So in Highsec everyone can shoot me on sight, local is full of people and the facpo will kill my ship if I stay in one place for a few seconds and don't warp. Please explain why Lowsec should be more dangerous to me?
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2014.10.31 09:55:38 -
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So it seams the only argument the carebears can bring to the table is the "new players quit because they lose a ship" argument, which is a non issue like many already mentioned. You don't infiltrate a corp for a week to slay a newbie in a Venture just to get kicked, you do it to get the bling mission ship or the Orca of the idiot CEO who screws over the new players, like this brilliant example shows:
http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/05/no-easy-awox-part-1.html
Since this is a game, a mechanic like the Safari/Awox does not need to provide some economical benefit or whatsoever, it needs to introduce opportunities for interesting gameplay and that is exactly what it does. Highsec is already safe enough and the corps willing to defend themselves have the tools to do so and are already using them.
This change will only benefit the lazy and risk-averse CEO that will teach the new players that low/null/worm is for people with gazillion of SP and isolate them from the bigger sandbox even more, trap them in a world of boredom and probably make them quit exactly because of that forced isolation.
This is a game about shooting spaceships. The real issue is not that you lose ships, the real issue is that it is frakin boring if you don't interact with other people and lose/blow-up ships. People start in Highsec, people start the game to fly spaceships and shoot other spaceships. You remove option after option to shoot spaceships in the space people start? And you are still surprised that so many quit?
So after this change hits the servers and it becomes apparent to the carebears that this changes nothing, maybe even made it worse and the expected big influx of new players wasn't a reality, will the change be reversed? Or will the carebears like many times before just cry for the next change to make Highsec safer to rescue the "new players" from the part of the game that would actually made it interesting and worthwhile playing?
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2014.10.31 12:36:09 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:The thing is CCP have stated their reason for this in the minutes as a player retention issue. Since they have the stats, I'd be inclined to accept that as a good reason. I certainly wouldn't be listening to a member of CODE, a group which is notoriously pro-botting and anti-noob. It is relatively clear from the minutes that they are just guessing like everyone else. If they had the numbers they would show them right away and end the discussion right there.
Your ad-hominem attacks and fals claims are a bad substitute for real arguments. Maybe you should remain silent if you are not capable of discussing in a civilized manner.
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2014.10.31 17:11:57 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Bob Bedala wrote:CODE kill botfleets too. Rarely if ever. La Nariz wrote:This is highsec pubbie levels of tinfoil man what the hell have you been smoking? How so? Because I don't lap up CODE propaganda when they say "we're anti-botter, honest!". Their actions speak for themselves. They attack players who clearly aren't botting, soaking up the tears, while they ignore botters leaving them to chomp on through all of the rocks. If you take a step back and really look at it, you'll see that the effect they have is the exact opposite of their claimed objective. Whether or not that is by design or through enormous oversight is up to you to decide. You accuse the one group of player with the mission to extinguish bots and bot like behaviour of botting? You must really run out of arguments if you even had some to begin with it seams.
Botting is against the EULA and will therefore be reported to CCP by us if we suspect the player to use a bot. If there is a way how I can harm the bot (ISK wise, ingame) without assembling a fleet of friends (that would just be silly as he will get banned anyway) I will go to great lengths to do so as I regard bots as one of the most game destroying entities around.
What are you doing against botting? Do you even care about this game?
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2014.10.31 19:24:47 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:La Nariz wrote:You are spewing dinsdale-esque crap. Wrong. dinsdale-esque would be screaming "the cartels!" and claiming the devs were helping. That was just pointing out that if you aren't completely incompetent and somehow managing to do the complete opposite of your stated goals by accident, then the explanation can only be that you are purposely targeting non-botters. So which are you, pro-botters or completely incompetent? Ok, it seams this is a bit hard to understand, so I try again.
Botting is a violation of the EULA. If we encounter a player that acts like a bot we report him to CCP as it is their business to remove him. If we can kill him with low amount of effort we will, otherwise there is no point in wasting ISK on illegal players.
Bot-aspirants get blown up, nothing new here. And it does not matter if he is 10 years old or a month. They usually fly untanked stuff because they think highsec is safe. And maybe in a not so far future they will actually be right if people like you get their way. The AFK mining paradise is coming.
Now there are also a lot of big Procurer and Skiff fleets around and they may use Isboxer or just multibox by hand. They are not bots, and just because you like to call them bots does not change their nature. I actually consider them more active than a AFK retriever, as they push the mining gameplay to a level where constant interaction is actually needed. If you don't like them, go ahead and do something about it. I usually use a 100MN Stabber, they are quite effective if they don't pay for a permit.
You can also do this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__b8fCbviVU&feature http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/10/kills-of-week_19.html
But let's go back to the topic and talk a bit more about how you still have no solid argument about why the safari gameplay should be removed other that some sort of "think about the children!!"-fallacy.
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2014.10.31 20:26:36 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Increase content? I hope so. If a few more people join corps, if a few more corps recruit without worrying about bad things happening then we have more people, more content. If not, then I seriously doubt that there will be a decrease. This is suicide ganking and something completely else. It has nothing to do with corp aggression mechanics.
Yes you can assemble some friends and gank the guy out of his bling ship for loot or giggles. That is completely fine, it's what I do all the time and it is fun. But it is no substitute for Safari/Awoxing.
If you infiltrate a corp there are other things you have to consider.
- You have to play the role of a completely innocent new player who looks up to his new CEO or whatever and plays along with the stuff the corp is doing.
- You have to analyze how the people in the corp play the game. How many of theme are active at which hours? Do they play isolated or can they react in time and protect each other if I strike now?
- Many CEOs are aware of this game mechanic, so they will be suspicious and you have to social engineer your was trough the questions and suspicions to remain in the corp.
- You have to wait for the right opportunity to strike, you will probably be alone, maybe you have a neutral logy (which btw is a pretty broken thing and most awoxers acknowledge this). But if you don't kill your target fast before other corp members can react it will be over and you will not get a second chance, maybe you have just wasted a week of preparation.
After that you will be kicked out of the corp and the safari is over.
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This is an example of what you will remove from the game. You will remove this kind of gameplay forever, just based on a hunch that maybe this will retain more new players. Instead you will strengthen the security of the corps in Highsec and Highsec only who are most of the time a death end for the players who join them, as they will bore them to dead and tell them tails about how dangerous the low/null/worm parts of EVE are.
I am actually not an awoxer, I am a suicide ganker. But I seriously enjoy the stories about this infiltrations and I consider it one of the more interesting things you can do in EVE. To remove such a great source of player content in favor of safer PvE crap is just insane in my eyes and something I will fight against with all my heart (verbal, on the Forums, no I will not RL or ingame torture people over this).
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2014.10.31 20:33:36 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:No, easy to kill solo players get ganked. You sound more and more like a butthurt miner, was there a resent antimatter accident? Maybe you should just buy a permit next time.
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2014.10.31 20:57:43 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:No, easy to kill solo players get ganked. You sound more and more like a butthurt miner, was there a resent antimatter accident? Maybe you should just buy a permit next time. And you would be wrong. Trying your luck with standard CODE response number 17, the "you must be a victim" response. Thanks for playing, now off you go, back to helping botters and multiboxers by ganking all those pesky solo miners - or you know, incompetence, whichever it is you've decided you are doing. Or you can just tell us the real reason why you insist in discussing CODE. business with "Veers Belvar"-level "arguments" rather than the actual topic at hand?
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Ima Wreckyou
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Posted - 2014.10.31 21:10:31 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Because if someone criticizes or dsagrees with you, they have to be on par with veers or dinsdale. There is criticism and there is delusional rambling about made up facts and fantasies. It's fun when it starts, usually because the level of stupid is so surprisingly high. But it gets old very fast.
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